The issue of lineage in christianity

Jeremiah 22:30King James Version (KJV)

30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

King James Version (KJV)


So, the story goes as such ”

28 Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol? is he a vessel wherein is no pleasure? wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not?

29 O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.

30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

So here we can clearly see “This man Coniah” should be written as childless ( not that he didnt have children but he should be written AS childless.) Secondly a man that shall not prosper in his days, a phrase which could be interpreted quite loosely but then he says “for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah

Now we have luke

“He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”

Luke is clearly contradicting the curse.

Why is this?

Well lets see the genealogy of Jesus according to two records in the new testament

Matthew 1King James Version (KJV)

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;
And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;
And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;
And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;
10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;

11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;
14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

Here is the problem:

12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

Jechonnias was cursed, was told that for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah

The problem is Jesus was from the line of Jechonias who was cursed that none of his seed shall sit on the throne of David.

The curse was not reversed. We can go through the sanhedrin and the midrash later to prove this if needed.

 

9 thoughts on “The issue of lineage in christianity

    1. Speaks of the same person as can be seen here:

      Jeremiah 22:24
      HEB: אִם־ יִהְיֶ֞ה כָּנְיָ֤הוּ בֶן־ יְהֽוֹיָקִים֙
      KJV: the LORD, though Coniah the son

      Jeremiah 22:28
      HEB: הָאִ֤ישׁ הַזֶּה֙ כָּנְיָ֔הוּ אִ֨ם־ כְּלִ֔י
      KJV: [Is] this man Coniah a despised broken

      Jeremiah 37:1
      HEB: יֹֽאשִׁיָּ֑הוּ תַּ֗חַת כָּנְיָ֙הוּ֙ בֶּן־ יְה֣וֹיָקִ֔ים
      KJV: reigned instead of Coniah the son

        1. 1 Chronicles 3 Says he had two sons only:

          10And Solomon’s son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son,

          11Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,

          12Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son, 13Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,

          14Amon his son, Josiah his son.

          15And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum.

          16And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.

      1. Ok but thats now only talking about Coniah…what if the scripture is referring to Coniah as someone else? Do you proof that Jeconias and Coniah is one and the same?

        1. According to wikipedia:
          Jeconiah (Hebrew: יְכָנְיָה‎‎ Yəḵānəyāh [jəxɔnˈjɔː], meaning “Yah has established”;[2] Greek: Ιεχονιας; Latin: Iechonias, Jechonias), also known as Coniah and as Jehoiachin (Hebrew: יְהֹויָכִין‎‎ [jəhoːjɔːxiːn]; Latin: Ioachin, Joachin), was a king of Judah who was dethroned by the King of Babylon in the 6th century BC and was taken into captivity.

  1. Ah ok, Thank you.

    Next question, have you taking into consideration the reason The Holy Spirit came upon Mary instead of Joseph, therefore bypassing thethe curse?

    1. Well to start off, the prophecies used to predict the messiah are those that speak of a descendant of David. Meaning, most prophecies concerning the messiah that christians use speak of a male bloodline. In other words, short answer is, if David is cut out of the picture Jesus cant even be the real messiah according to christian scriptures.

      Then also contradicts the following:

      Romans 1:3
      Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

      Psalm 132:11
      The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

      There are more like this…

      Another issue is that the messiah was supposed to be the final king on the throne of David, coming from his seed. If he didnt have a physical father then the entire thing is void.
      Jews didnt really keep track of who the mother’s lineage was because it didnt matter, according to the Torah this is not the way things worked:

      “And on the first day of the second month, they assembled the whole congregation together, who registered themselves by families, by their fathers’ houses, according to the number of names from twenty years old and upward, head by head.” (Numbers 1:18)

      Now what if we go by Jesus’s claimed earthly father, you know as if he was born from Joseph like his brothers.


      Luke 3:23-38King James Version (KJV)

      23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

      24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

      25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

      26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

      27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

      28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

      29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

      30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

      31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

      32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

      33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

      34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

      35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

      36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

      37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

      38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”

      Seems like David is in there but according to how Judaism worked in those days, the lineage is counted on the father’s side only. Christians claim Jesus didnt have an earthly father. There is the problem

  2. Honestly, everything is so confusing, because there’s evidence that God forgives and continues to provide His blessing in other situations like in Hag. 2:23. You could also say that the curse was only for Coniah’s immediate children.

    Looking up what other people say on this issue, a writer R A McLaughlin commented; “Clearly, Matthew did not think Jeconiah’s presence among Jesus’ ancestors was something to be explained (after all, Matthew did not explain it). Rather, he saw it as something to be asserted as proof of Jesus’ Messiahship”.

    If Matthew, writing under the guiding influence of the Holy Spirit, did not think it necessary to explain or defend the presence of Jeconiah in Jesus’ lineage, then it appears the problem is an issue with us who read instead of a problem of what is written.

    I know it sounds like a cop-out, but honestly, God never told us that we would understand everything. He never promised that we would know the answer to every question. He did, however, promise us salvation and His indwelling presence.

    My biggest question is, if Jesus isn’t the Massiah, then that must mean that our minds are so powerful that we can manifest whatever we believe as long as we think it’s coming from someplace else…because there are literally millions of people around the world that swear that they’ve had real personal spiritual/religious experiences/miracles…myself included.

    The problem with that then is if that’s the case, then that must mean Judaism or any religion isn’t real either…however Quantum Physics has pretty strong evidence that points to the existence of a God and alternative realities or universes if you prefer.

    That mean’s then that there is truth in religions, we just need to figure out which is man engineered for the purpose of population control and which is truth.

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